Talk of Selling, Leads to Talk of More Modding

"Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness" (long-voyager-2nd-edition) 07/17/2019 at 07:49 • Filed to: Terrible Ideas, Voyager

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After talking about selling my van, we somehow got talking about the Journey GT we drove just before finding our new van. For one reason or another, I looked up the Journey’s wheelbase......

113.8Wheelbase.......

My van: 112.3" wheelbase..........

Pretty sure that 1.5" could easily be hid if it was split between then wheel wells. I mean 283 hp + 6-speed + AWD in my van would be a rocket.......  

HMMMMMMMM.........................................

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 07:56

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Sounds like a great idea to me

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 08:06

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That is not a terrible idea. It is a fucking hideous idea. Any journey in a caravan usually is...

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 08:13

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What you should do is take one of your 2nd gens, find an AWD transmission, build it to take 250ish HP, and set it up to send all power to the back, build a rear end, and go drifting.

shop-teacher > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 08:15

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Saw this yesterday, thought of you.

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 08:25

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And here is where everything you loved about your previous ChryCos and Mopars comes to a screeching halt.

For the most part, the ECUs in this era of vehicles do not play nice with modding. The proprietary CANBUS that Chrysler used in this era was pre-programmed from the factory for the specific components optioned to that vehicle, on a VIN-number basis. Meaning that while you could physically swap many components between vehicles, the ECU would simply not work because of parts that it doesn’t recognize.

To the point that when the little motor that controls the intake runner tumble flappers (a cheap trick to boost emissions at low RPM) decided to fail, I couldn’t simply replace the lIttle motor with an identical part. No, it REQUIRES dealer intervention. And the dealer doesn’t simply replace the faulty motor, they replace the entire intake manifold, which turns a $70 job into a $1, 200 job. And because it’s an emissions-related part, you can’t pass emissions tests until you bite the bullet, because the code will keep popping up when the connect to OBD.

And the aftermarket community was not keen on cracking these ECUs. Chrysler made it notoriously difficult, and the gains just weren’t there to be had on such cheap vehicles - Cerberus-era Chrysler vehicles did not hold their value in the used market, meaning if you wanted a more powerful version of the car you have, people would tell you to trade it in and buy the more powerful version.

An d forget the aftermarket.

Things may have changed in recent years, they may have started cracking the ECUs, but I wouldn’t know about it.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 09:08

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Well that confirms the model bloat theory.

One model got to big, come out with new model to fill the size segment  that that old one was in.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > and 100 more 07/17/2019 at 10:13

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Honestly, I would probably do M egasquirt for the engine management to eliminate all the issues of modern drivetrain-old vehicle , so the only issue would be how it plays with the TCM.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > shop-teacher 07/17/2019 at 10:15

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Interesting.....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 07/17/2019 at 10:16

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The AWD driveline can handle 500+ whp stock.

If I find an AWD donor, my van is going AWD + Boost.

AWD burnouts FTW.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 10:24

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Woah, 500? For how long?

And didn't they have three open diffs?

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 10:35

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I praise thee and look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 07/17/2019 at 12:03

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Guys have used them for drag racing and proven they can handle the abuse/power.

The front is an open diff, the rear is a limited slip. IIRC you can use the Quaife LSD in the trans to solve the open diff up front.

I may be a little rusty on all the details, it’s been about 5 years since I seriously looked into it.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > and 100 more 07/17/2019 at 12:06

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Idk, I need to do something, the lack of low end on the 3.3L is really dragging it down.....

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 12:14

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... centrifugal supercharger ?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > and 100 more 07/17/2019 at 12:28

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Was leaning on an Eaton M90 from a TB SC.

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/17/2019 at 13:08

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Also good!